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My Precious had the same thing and as time went on they did get worse. Hi Diana — I always advise anyone who describes themselves as a patient to seek their doctors approval. She wants to eat what the other dogs eat Beneful with milk bones for treats and chicken she loves chicken. He x rayed her and took me back and showed me comparison from a year ago. Hi I gave birth through C section four weeks ago.
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Caterpilar Relay One at a time the members attach themselves to each other. Alternate volunteer and kid. Cheese Ring Relay Transfer cheese ring using straw only from one end to another. Straws, Cheese Rings, 4 Bowls. Dance Showdown Groups chooses a leader to lead a dance impromptu for 15 seconds. The goal is to be creative, synchronized and relevant.
Dance Showdown Choose one leader to guide the team on the steps. Doctor Quack Quack Group tangles themselves hands remain connected as they hold each others' hand.
Dodge Ball Kids throws ball to the opposing teams volunteers. When you get hit by a ball, your out. Fastest to eliminate all wins. Dress Me Up First pair runs to the clothes and wears them, takes it off and runs back to the next pair. Fax Machine Each team on a single line waits for the lead of every group to start writing at the back of the first person.
This is passed on until the last person writes it on paper and submits it to the game host. Feather Fly Group that makes the feather stay up in the air longest wins. Fish Be with U! Alternate volunteer and kid sucks the paper using a straw and transfer it to the other end.
Straw, Papers, 4 Bowls. Fit The Team Should be able to fit the entire group in a small mat. Float your Boat Group should be able to float the coke cans in water.
Coke Cans, Tape, Straws. Get In Alternate volunteer and kid passes a circled string until the end of the group with hands remain connected. Golden Spoon Group should transfer as much water from one container to another using a only a spoon.
Spoons, Containers with and without Water. High Trivia 1 Volunteer writes, 1 volunteer helps the kids gives as many answers in a category starting with a particular letter. Papers, Pens, Pool of Letters, Categories. Hula Together Group tries to bring down the hula hoop in the ground together using only one finger each. In our Out Teams think on their feet and figure out how many people where to be inside and outside of the hula hoops.
Game host give specific numbers as to how many people inside and out. Island Hopping Group should transfer the whole group by using 2 big mats or towels.
Let It Go Create a finish line 5 meters away from the players. Every person offer to blow the balloon and let them go. They blow again where it lanes. They do this until it reaches the finish line. Luksong Tinik Opposing group sets up 4 sets of hurdles.
Other group tries to jump over them for points. Math Trivia The whole team solves a math problem. The answer should represent the number of members that will gather in front. First one with right solution and to gather wins. Memory Game Group is given a chance to see a photo. Photos, Manila Paper, Pens. Move Relay Members of each team accomplish 3 stations of moving to win: Hula Hoops, Skip Rope. Paint A Picture Group creatively utilizes all members to create a scenario given to them.
They have to be in still mode. Paper Clips Group should be able to count each different colored paper clip accurately. Pass the Charade Alternate volunteer and kid passes the action from one person to the next. Pass The Dance Dancer will do a dance step in front while the rest of the team is facing the other side. The first group to pass the correct dance at the end of the line, wins. Patintero Opposing group should be able to pass through the other group's 5 members.
Puzzle Game Groups that form the puzzle fastest wins. Rain Pair transfers water using a dipper with holes from one point to another. Dippers, Big Containers with and without Water. Raise the Ball Teams assign a number to each participant. As the music plays they pass the ball. The number hosts call stands up and raises the ball. First one to do gets a point.
Rapid Fire Group that knocks down the cups first in the table using rubber bands wins. Real Dance The team that choreographs the real dance step the closest wins. We will only be choosing songs that have signature steps.
Regalo or Bayong Pairs decide to go multiple choice on the trivia given. Bayongs, Labeled Letters, Categories. Replacements Groups tries to copy the photo shown. There will be lookers, runners and builders. Reverse Charades Everyone in the group acts, only one guesses. Reverse Pinoy Henyo Everyone guesses, only 1 says yes, no or maybe. Save The Sea Fan back all the sea creature in a large woven tray bilao using paper plates.
The team who does this first wins. Cut Out Sea Creatures. Shape it Up Teams creates shapes together, while holding hands. Shoot Me First group tries to shoot all 10 ping pong balls to the cups in the table wins. Shoot that Ball Groups line up one line while the host gives 3 kinds of orders - pass, exhibition and shoot the ball.
Show Me Your Face All teams come up with the best given expression together. Forget dog food, he even turns away from doggy treats including freeze dried chicken and yummy duck jerky. At first I cooked rice and chicken. Then hamburger and rice. Moved on to steak, which he accepted hand fed a few times.
I wonder if anyone else experienced appetite loss with any of the meds? Hi Sandi, Thank you for your comment. My Precious had no problem eating more than usual. Could he have another problem for appetite loss such as low thyroid, dental problems, or even more serious health problems like kidney failure, liver problenms or cancer?
I hope you and your vet can find out the reason for his appetite loss. I hope you will let me know. Hi Sue, Eventually Buster did get his appetite back and we had three months of him being his normal self before he took a turn for the worse very dramatically and suddenly.
We took him to the vet, where he stayed for several days. One morning we were called to be told he had passed in the night. You might want to try eliminating that drug if it is O. It worked for me, but like everything else it was just a temporary fix. I hope your last days with her are good.
She will not take her meds — I have to force them down her —morning and night — she has swelling etc. She has no problem eating but I do notice her not breathing to well at times. Do you think the vetmedin is making her cough more?
I hate to take her to the vets because she gets so upset that the last time she passed out. It just kills me to see her like this. I am not sure what to do.
Have any of you tried natural herbs to help? Are they a waste of money. This is so hard. You just feel helpless. Hi, From what I read the most reported side effects of Vetmedin are poor appetite, lethargy, diarrhea, dyspnea, and weakness. The Vetmedin is such a large pill it was hard to give even a half of a pill to my dog also.
I broke it down into two smaller pieces and put it in braunschweiger. The trick is put a small piece of pill into a small piece of meat. If the piece of meat is to big your dog will have to chew it and usually ends up spitting the pill out.
It the meat is a small piece they will gobble it up with hardly a second thought, especially if you already let them try it and they liked it. Hope this works for getting her pills down. I agree picking your dog up just puts pressure on her lungs and possibly make the coughing worse. He licks it off my finger and just swallows it. I posted back on Dec 3, , when my Maltese, Chase, had an acute decompensation episode with his heart failure.
If you have a minute, you can take a look at my post. At the time, Chase was extremely sick as he was in severe pulmonary edema he was literally drowning internally due to the excessive fluid inside of his lungs. During his stay, he received over mg of IV Lasix and had to spend 12 hrs in the oxygen chamber. If I heard fluid, I would increase his dose of Lasix.
After the 1st week of him being home, I had increased his Lasix from 25 mg daily The vet has also increased his Vetmedin from 1. Despite my increasing his Lasix and the increase in all of his other medication doses, he still had fluid in his right lung!
I researched and read studies about dogs with heart failure. I learned that we had all of the medical bases covered so I then started researching holistic and complementary therapies for dogs with heart failure HF. I worked as an RN in cardiology for several years and one thing I know is that diet is critical with HF patients, especially salt intake.
However, you can get this info by contacting the company directly. A dog with severe heart failure should not consume more than 20 mg of sodium per day. Most commercial dog foods exceed this fold!
Also, I want to bring up another point. I have a hard time giving Chase his pills so I would coat them in peanut butter. I was giving about 1 tsp with his pills twice a day, which worked out to be about 50 mg sodium.
I started making his food myself. I bought a pill crusher and I crush all of his meds into a fine powder. This is the following holistic protocol I have him on:.
Arginine is thought to help with activity intolerance and shortness of breath. I have the powdered form of Arginine and Taurine, but I have to crush the Carnitine. Comes in a powder -B Complex: I think that's pretty much it for the holistic protocol, but if I realize I left something out I'll let you know.
After being on homemade food and the holistic protocol for 1 month, Chase was a completely different dog. The months leading up to his diagnosis and he literally looked depressed. When he started his initial treatment, he didn't seem as depressed and lethargic, but he wasn't the playful, energetic, happy-go-lucky dog that he used to be.
I took Chase in for his follow up. I was so pleased and I couldn't wait to go back for our 1 month follow up with the vet. The vet could not believe her eyes when she saw Chase.
She said she had never seen him looking this full of life since she started treating him. She took him back to run labs and do a follow up echocardiogram and she came back with phenomenal news. All of his blood work was perfect, but I have even better news! The size of his Left atrium has decrease 2 mm from his baseline measurement when he was first diagnosed in July His dilated left atrium was decreasing in size and his heart function was starting to show improvement!
She was happy and shocked at the same time! She just told me to keep doing everything that I was doing, lol! It's been 2 months since that last visit and we have another follow up tomorrow so I will definitely keep you posted. I'm so sorry for writing a book, but I just hope that some of this information is helpful.
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. I will try to give you as much info as I can. Wow Allison, your post has been greatly informative. Since then, incidence of him coughing has reduced significantly, but he has started wheezing, owing to a second condition that has developed; canine bronchial disease, which is quite similar to asthma in human.
Oral medications are out as it would worsen his heart condition, and he is currently on antibiotics and if it gets worse, he may have to be on Ventolin. Can you please tell me how much of each holistic supplements u give your dog please and post where u buy them from!!
Thank u so much!! Hi Beth, not sure who this question is for? This is the supplement I add to balance the nutrition in the homemade food to make sure that the dogs get all the nutrients they need. Liquid Ubiquinol and Liquid Krill Oil: Krill Oil for Pets 3. BodSmith 1 Liquid Dog Vitamins all natural blend providing the crucial nutrients dogs need for optimum health. Necessary vitamins, minerals, herbs, essential fatty acids, trace minerals, amino acids and digestive enzymes, plus Ester-C and Coenzyme Q Another deficiency seen in dogs with CHF.
Hawthorne Berry and Red Clover: I am using these herbs is used for their diuretic effects. I bought them in the drop form. I hope this is helpful! Please keep me posted on how things work for you. I can also email you a pdf file of my dosage notes. My dosage calcs are based on a 10 lb Maltese so you may have to adjust the doses for your baby.
I did what u suggested and have had a holistic vet come and see him, she will be contacting his vet and together work with what supplements to give him. She will be returning Friday, she also did acupuncture and cold lazer therapy. Seems to have helped, he seems to have more energy. Thanks so much for sharing ur story, it has given me some hope. Paco is a 9lb Chihuahua and just turned He has a grade 4 murmur and enlarged heart.
Coughs every day but not constant. He is on tussigon, Furosemide, enalapril, Vetmedin, Terbutaline , and thyroxine plus carafate and baby gas x.
He is also on salt free diet, and i dehydrate is own treats salt free. Bottled water in fresh running fountain. He has a cooling coat to keep him cool and from overheating. Allison, Thank you for posting the holistic info. You mentioned that you have a PDF file that list the dosage that you gave to you 10lb. Can you forward this to me? My email address is kgoode yahoo. Thanks for your help. Allison, I would be very interested in the PDF.
My dog has the exact same diagnosis as yours. Can you send it to frysgirl gmail. Allison your post is what gave me hope for my 10 year old Chihuahua with a stage 4 heart murmur. I would very much like to have a copy of your PDF on amounts of supplements. My Melia weighs 7 pounds which is optimum weight for her. I just switched to a low salt pet food for starters. She is having the occasional seizure now which freaks me out. I never realized the Enalpril could contribute to the coughing.
The vet said it was okay to give her one every 12 hours, but I have not done that after reading the thread here. Thank you so much for your input. Gave misty a kiss for you while she was getting her q3h doggy massage.
My heart breaks for you Juliette. Take care,and keep us informed of your progress. Take comfort your precious is no longer suffering and running free and happy. A special guardian to look over your child. If it continues to hurt for much longer maybe you could talk to your dr. There are various ways to help you through your grief that they can discuss with you,and please know I am here if you need to chat anytime.
She became quite ill in july,and we did not expect her to make it 2 weeks and here we are in November. My car never moved without her,standing between the seat on the look out for moose,and bopping to the music when she heard a song she liked!
Write your feelings down and send them to your vet. If it stops this happening to one more beloved pet your foxy will not have died in vain. Hang in there and I am here for you.
Hi Alison, Could you forward the pdf with the holistic dosage info to my email as well? You have given my heart hope. I had two cavalier King Charles sisters- I just lost Kiley Last week from complications with her heart and her sister who had previously been Diagnosed last year with a grade 4 heart murmur and CHF is having another day episode. I have her on enalapril, vetmedin and Salix twice a day- but I have always leaned toward The holistic as being much more productive and better in the long term for them!
Thank you so much!!!! My email is kiddlehopper hotmail. Hi Allison, Thank you for all this information. My 13 year old yorkie, Sparkey, was just diagnosed with an enlarged heart. He is coughing a lot. My vet put him on hydrocodone to suppress his cough. I rather go holistically. I have him on tummeric pills. I would rather go your way. Can you kindly send me your pdf file? Sparkey is 8 pounds.
Thank you so much Allison. May God bless you. Howdy is a He has a heart murmur and cushings disease. I too started cooking him his own meals months ago.
It made a huge difference. I just stick chicken breast, a piece of liver for flavor eventhough high in cholesterol can of pumpkin, brown rice and water in the crock pot.
When done, I run it through the food grinder. It made a huge difference with the coughing but now the coughing has returned. Of course, this always happens on the weekends!
I started him on Amoxil yesterday to prevent pneumonia. I know he needs a shot of prednisone but taking him to the vet is so stressful on him. His tongue gets purple. Right now, his tongue and gums are a great shade of pink!
Any suggestions for him until the vet opens in the morning? I have Prednisone here but with his Cushings, I am reluctant to give it to him. Hi Ruth, While I hate to give any advise when it could be wrong but I can tell you what my vet told me that it would have been OK to give my Precious another dose of her diuretic, this it what the emergency clinic gave my Precious a shot of Lasix and oxygen. They tried to keep her overnight but I said no she needs to be with me.
I now how you feel it always happens on weekends and nights. Then next time your at your vet ask him what you can give Howdy if it happens again on a weekend because you know it will , perhaps he can give you a prescription for hydrocodone also which suppresses cough. I know it is frustrating and a never ending battle with drugs that only work temporarily.
I too have a 10 lb. I was hoping you could send me your holistic regiment and dosage information. Along with hydrocodone at night. Teddy is 10 lbs.. I have ordered everything on your list. I was so worried that I might be hurting her and not helping her even though she seems better, less coughing. I also give dandelion. Could you tell me how much per day? Thank you so much for your post!! Hi Allison, I saw your post on your successful holistic approach for Chase. As my maltese has enlarged heart and coughing, would you pls share with me yr holistic protocols and dosage?
Please let me know…thank you. Hi Laurie, not sure if your question is for me or other people who have commented. Supplements given are not a cure just a way to help your dog live a longer healthier life. Allison, just read your 2 year old update about Chase. The one with the herbal remedies. First, how is he doing? Just started Vetmedin 2 days ago after 2 fainting episodes which occurred after coughing fits.
I want to do the best for her. I wrote down everything you were giving Chase but have no idea of how much of each. Lexy is 8 lbs. My dog is Tonka he is a spunky 13 year old sable Pomeranian. Before the vet did any tests he said CHF with collapsing trachea. He has always had the backwards sneeze not the actual issue, however most think it is all of his life. I do feel it is the collapsing trachea not CHF. When u say home made food, what did u make him?
Any tips on the collapsing trachea? I am going to start the home diet asap as well as the supplements. I have to say, tonight he was coughing badly so I gave him ventolin, he coughed again 3 together and it s been an hour and he has been good since… I hope Chase and you are well, Thank you Connie. My Eli is about 11, not sure of his exact age because I adopted him from a shelter. Diagnosed with CHF 7 months ago.
Respiratory rate is 60 normal is around He was coughing and coughing for some reason and would cough up foam. I gave him another dose of his Lasix but after 2 hours took him to the hospital.
I am now struggling with the thought of even if he rebounds, when will be the next time. As CHF progresses it will be more trips to the vet hopefully not the emergency vet! Hard to not use those interchangeably…. When Precious started coughing non stop during the day, that was when I decided it was just too much for her. Thanks for your reply Sue, and you may be right — It might be time to let her go which breaks my heart, but I can tell she has trouble breathing some days.
She might have a day or so of not coughing most of the day, but then the next day she is right back to it. She is worse when she is around me because she is so attached to me and gets more excited when I talk to her, etc. I just told my husband today that by the time her next refill is due on her meds.
Thanks for your post, it lets us know we are not alone in this. I meant to check the box to notify me of follow up and forgot so that is the reason for this post! Gosh, thanks Allison for the report on your dog. I know that dog food that we buy is bad, I try to buy the organic — natural stuff — but you never know. I am going to try making her food and the supplements you talked about. She is so sweet and gentle to everyone, she is a perfect little yorkie — she holds her ears up and she is very tiny Which I think might have been her downfall — being so small.
She is not doing well at all the last couple of days — coughing, etc. I am going back to your post and look at those cooking ideas and see what I can do. Glad your little doggie is doing well and congrats on going to medical school — sounds like you will be the type of Dr.
Maybe you should become a vet. Thank you very much for your concern. Sue I read your article with tears in my eyes-I have a 13 year Boston that is my old girl and I love her so much. It started with a cough and off to the vet we went. He tells me she has a heart murmur and put her on benzapril for the murmur and furosemide for the fluid build up-she has been on it for about a week now and the cough seems to be worse not better-I am off to the vet again tomo-I am going to have him xray her heart and some other things to cover my basis-I do know that this is the start of end which according to him is still 3 to 4 years but I feel so helpless and like I am not doing enough to make her comfortable-Thanks for this article I am glad I found it.
Hi Karen, I feel your pain I hope you can have a little longer cough-free time with your girl. I know every case is different but I think maybe your vet is stretching the facts a little when he says that the end is 3 or 4 years away. That would make her 17 years old which is usually the age that healthy small dogs live until. I have a chihuahua furkid called Akie.
He is 13 yrs old and he has been diagnosed with CHF stage 3 recently. Aparts of this he also having trachea collapsing which contribute to his coughing daily. I have been in and out to the vet quite often recently and nothing seems to ease his coughing.. His coughing is getting worst.
Apparently, he is having Fortekor, Vetmedin and Furosemide for his heart enlargement. He has been diagnosed with heart enlargement 3 yrs ago, during that time he has been hospitalized but he recovered… I have been maintaining him by all the medication in correct timing each day, low sodium diet and no strenuous activities.
Apart of all the medications, he is also been taking Taurine, CoQ10, Hawthorne, Omega Fish Oil and etc supplements… I really have no idea where goes wrong recently… I just wish n hope that he will speedy recovery the soonest. The vet just told me that if I would have him for another 6 to 12 months… He should consider that I am extremely happy and lucky….
Hi Miri, It sounds like your blaming yourself for him not getting better. Maybe if you believe in reincarnation like myself you can take comfort in knowing that he may possibly come back to you, if not in this life maybe the next. She is currently 15 and a half years old and acts like a puppy. She has been diagnosed with collapsing trachea and CHF. I kicked into high gear as things unfolded and so Tatie has a cardiologist, a general practitioner, a holistic vet and an energy worker. She never needed any treatment for CT.
None of these meds dosages have needed to be changed since her original diagnosis. She sees her cardio three times a year and he does diagnostics every other visit blood work, xray and sonogram if needed.
As I mentioned, Tatie sees a holistic vet as well. Every month or two she also receives acupuncture or chiropractic in addition to the cold laser treatments. I cook for her- beef and chicken boiled, a little broccoli and pasta, and no sodium. She weighs about 8 lbs and has been on a wonderful plateau for some time now. She could not get out of the loop. It was awful…a HUGE sound, very guttural, coming from a little dog.
I took her to her cardio the very next day. He thought either the bath excitement triggered her or perhaps she aspirated a little water. What a trade off. So she needs to eat to handle the effects of a drug that upsets her belly! I should also mention that I get her meds compounded. And so I go forth- one step at a time with Tatie. Oh, and someone mentioned something I deal with as well: Thank you all so much for posting you own stories.
Support is so key to dealing with these difficult conditions. He has had CHF for over 2 years starting with massive seizures. He is on pimobenden and after reading all these posts, I have added the Enepril also which I had here on hand from Fluppy. He takes 20 mg. Lasix per day but vet told me NOT to increase this dose since it can damage kidneys. He coughed all night and wheezed. So sad to listen to. He got up and walked around many times, probably for water.
He is on cough suppressents and also has had steroid injections. He also has Cushings Disease. Howdy is a medium sized Maltese and the largest one I have. He is just a happy go lucky kind of dog, never a problem.
I am going to start cooking his food too. I give him his meds in Liverwurst but now reading the posts about SALT, going to change that plan too…Looks like I will be making my own liverwurst too! Thanks for sharing all. Hi All, I have read your stories and feel mine may be of use.
My dog was a rescue dog from Spain a small honey coloured terrier. I homed her 7 years ago when she was roughly about 4 years old then. I had her screened two years ago when we were coming back to the Uk and the vet diagnosed a heart murmur. She was well and happy up to last Easter Monday when her resting respiratory rate was 70, coughing on exertion and she was breathing using her abdominal muscles, very lethargic and mucous membranes not pink at all.
I went to the emergency vet and she diagnosed a grossly enlarged heart and CHF. After treating with diuretics and cardisure she was released after 3 hours.
She made a slow recovery on these meds but this morning she vomited 3 times loosing bile and frothy fluid she then drank three full bowls of water and her breathing was 60 per minute with blueish mucous membranes.
I went to the vet who gave me the choice of aggressive treatment or euthanasia. I am now very sad but glad she did not have to live with this condition over a longtime. She was a much loved dog but I could not stay with her I did see her shortly afterwards and she was at peace. It was a very tough decision but one which has to be taken bearing in mind the suffering of the dog.
I hope if anyone reads this they will find some strength to make the hardest decision of all. Howdy is doing MUCH better. He is even lively and wagging! He is a maltese, Poor guy is bowlegged too! I bought him in Kansas from a home breeder. His coughing has greatly reduced using the small amount of Hycodan twice a day with the Pimobenden, Lasix and Vetrol for his Cushings Disease. I boil his chicken with rice in the rice cooker with some garlic powder. I add doggie vitamins and he is just thrilled with his meal!
God must have needed my precious baby boy because I had to send him to heaven the next day. The vet does not know what was causing it, but he was bleeding internally somewhere, possibly from the Previcox he took daily for his deteriorated spine.
I miss him every second but when you love someone so much, you have to let them go instead of suffering. Although he still eats and loves his treats. I have had to make that dreaded decision many times and it gets no easier. I think we all can sympathize with what your dealing with. I have to say my Precious coughed a lot also but all at once the cough got deeper and pretty much non-stop.
Have you tried hydro codone to help suppress some of the coughing? She has been doing amazingly well thinks to the medications she has been on. The last two days the cough has increased.
She has not been to the vet for a while, so maybe we will go for a visit this morning. The coughing makes sleep difficult for both of us. Wow, I have to say you are lucky that your dog has lived to her age of I hope she lives even longer. So sorry to report that I lost my precious little girl May 7, I am having a terrible time adjusting to the loss. I miss her terribly. I am thinkful that she passed at home and in the arms of those who loved her. My dog has chf, she is She coughs more at nite.
Started on lasiz for about a week, cough continued. Will take the Vets advice for heart medication and I guess return to the lasiz also. She was on 40 mg a day, heart meds scare me because iam unsure of what might happen. She cough an gags.
What medication did you have you dog on, that she lived to be amazingly 19 yrs old?? Iam beside my self of what to do. If not for the cough my dog Cindy is fine.
Plays runs around eats like a horse. Please give me an insight into the medications or combination of meds. So I will be knowledgable when I talk to my Vet. We will be devastated to loose her. What to save my dog, need to help her so bad, just breaks my heart to hear her cough so much.
And i cant do anything. Thank you so very much. Mostly your vet will start with one or two drugs and as time goes by and her coughing gets worse as it usually does they add more drugs. I am going through a similar situation but my babies heart is enlarged quite a bit.
You would think with the advances we have in medicine there was more they could do. If you are eating really well, then that is passed through your milk. And it feels very uncomfortable like your muscles do after a really difficult work out.. It sounds, however, like you can lose weight but just have to work harder to achieve it?
I am doing clean9 but due to my hectic work schedule i spent most day outdoors and unable to follow exact instructions it says. I get to drink aloe gel max twice a day, and take all tablets along with it, at once, twice a day. And the shake i take once or twice a day. Am i going to get any resilts this way? Or m just wasting the product? Other than this i take tea once a day with milk n brown sugar, i cant start my day otherwise, thrn if i get very hungry or get bad cravings, i take one or two bites of anything that i get at that time, like a biscuit or sandwich etc.
I dont eat stomach full but just to kill the xraving. This is the second time i m doing clean9, the first time aswell i had this same messedup routine, and i got no results. Pls tell me how can i benifit from it max without doing it the exact way it recommends.
Hi, I have today started my Clean 9 program. When I came back home, I ate a banan and 3 mandarin. Have I destroy the program that I should start again tomorrow?
How many times a day should I use the shake? What about from the 3rd day? What is recomended to eat, how much and how often? Hi Dorothy — have you got the Clean 9 booklet — see above — that explains what to do etc…. In fact, I always recommend that people follow up with FIT 1 too — as that will lock and extend the gains.
Thank you so much. I have seen the booklet and I have decide to start afresh today again and I am happy to do so. I have also set my mind to have a displin during these 9days for a perfect result. I will soon print the booklet and have it with me all the time. Myself I have started with vital5 since the I first did the C9 about a month ago. I am a US size 8, so not a bid person but have issues with my midsection.
I started another phase of C9 on Saturday and today is day 3. My question is, can i use the free foods to make a smoothie and drink that in the coarse of the day. I used apples, celery and spinach. Contents are in a 75cl bottle. It is my 2nd day on the Clean 9 — I am feeling really rather good so far and maybe its just wishful thinking but I definitely feel like I am already starting to feel the benefits: I added 60g frozen blueberries to my shake yesterday and today and have been putting a slice of cucumber into my glass of water for a refreshing drink throughout the day.
Have I cheated or is this ok? I have followed everything else to the letter. Sounds like you are not drinking enough water — but I would call the person who sold you the pack to talk it through with them. It has been a week since i have finished the clean 9 and i have tried to chabge my eatibg habits.. Hi Amanda — it is difficult to say — but it is probably because you are not eating well. My suggestion is that you continue with the FIT 1 to lock in the weight loss and change to eating habits.
Is it ok to eat less than calories. Hi Leila — you should have a booklet in your pack which explains how to follow the programme? If not, please follow the link above. Now you have a monthly net cost — divide that by 30 days — and you arrive at the real cost of FIT 1. Hi, can I use clean 9 while im nursing. My son is already on solids and I havent used this product before. But really need to jumpstart my weightloss journey.
Hi Zahra — if you are breast feeding then if you are not used to the aloe and your baby is not used to your aloe diet, then there is a chance that you can give him cholic. If you really want to get going, then I suggest purchasing an extra bottle of aloe vera and gently drink about 30mls per day for 5 days building up to 60mls for an extra two days. So 1 need to. My question is hv done clean9 b4 I got pregnant so can I start taking the aloe gel again or move to Fit 1 plan.
Hi Barbara — are you pregnant now? If so, Fit 1 and not clean 9. Although I would check with a doctor before stating anything. I guess you mean the Therm tablets? Hello, just wondered what the need is for the fibre sticks and whether or not the cleanse would work without them? Can you remove the fibre — yes, but you might as well give yourself the best chance of the best results. I am on day 4 of clean and it is going okay, but I struggle to fit everything in because I feel full!
I struggled to finish my calorie meal last night. I just wondered if that happens again can I miss the shake or eat less in the meal? I was actually surprised how much calories was! What do you suggest? Take a look here and enter in your data http: Take an extra Forever Lite shake plus soya, almond or rice milk etc… and have a smaller meal instead.
Hope this helps — if you post your weight, age, activity levels — then I can be more precise about the calories that you need. Just want to know if I should start over again 4. Hi Nikki — yes, pretty much — the aloe vera and the shake are the core ingredients, although I would also advise the Garcinia as that helps our bodies regulate blood sugar levels and burn existing fat. You can pretty much follow the FIT 1 programme with these three items — the key being that you take the shake instead of a meal — usually lunch — if your goal is to lose weight — but add a shake to all three meals if you are seeking to build muscle and are doing the workouts to go with it.
Are you based in New Zealand? If so, then the easiest way to get these three products is to register with Forever and order them directly — you also get a discount this way too. If I can help you with this — please contact me here http: I am really interested in doing the clean 9 cleanse but I am currently on a weight training programme, so am afraid that the cleanse will mean I take enough calories for my body to recover post training.
I weight training programme will have been devised to help you add muscle. To add muscle you do need to have a higher intake of calories. My question for you would be — why do you want to do the Clean 9? Is it to lose weight or help improve the quality of the calories you are taking or to re-boot the immune system or something similar? The reason for asking is that it might be more suitable for you to go straight to FIT 1 — skipping the Clean 9, or alternatively, we can adapt the Clean 9 to make it fit your calorie needs.
Hi Neil Thanks for your reply! My main aim on the programme is to lose body fat whilst increasing muscle. The clean 9 appealed in that it looks like it can help to reboot my immune system but also boost some fat loss. You may already have a version of this — but if not, then the Forever Ultra Lite has the benefit of including aminotein which helps our bodies absorb the extra protein. I can help you do this — just get in touch here. Here is the link to the FIT 2 — 30 day programme — https: On the back of the packet for the Forever Shakes it states that this can be mixed with skimmed milk, however in the booklet it advised to keep clear of cows milk.
Hi Sam — yes, you can mix the shake with whatever you like. The reason we normally recommend not to use milk is because the shake is Whey free ie. Instead, please move to the FIT 1 programme here https: If you are not in the UK — then, you can order online via http: Pls I want to buy it in Nigeria can you register me so I can get the discount please the cost is quite high as I am not earning any salary.
We mainly use Clean 9 to kickstart health and then follow on with the FIT 1 — however, is you are already quite active or have been drinking aloe vera for a while, then you can go straight to FIT 1 if you wish. Then the Clean 9 would be perfect. Hi Sadiaa — yes, but the Clean 9 is about breaking old bad habits.
Also, the Therm will give you natural caffeine — so you should be able to over come the desire. Hi Dawn — the clean 9 asks you to do some moderate exercise — so walking. The FIT 1 programme aims to raise the level of exercise a bit — but you can easily vary the exercise to suit yourself.
Perhaps the most important is to slowly build strength so that when you walk you walk fast enough to raise your pulse. Hello Neil just about to start but I don t think I can swallow tablets or capsules. I have always been scared of choking and I always make sure I buy small tablets. Didn t realise they were so big!! Can I open the capsules and eat the powder or watever is inside?
Will it loose effect? Hi TP — clean 9 does not affect fertility. Although we have seen people who have raised the quality of their nutrition succeed in conceiving where previously they had no success, so we can only imagine that it would help.
Hello Ayo — you are probably drinking a lot more water I hope and that is helping to cleanse your body — which may explain the increased urinating. So, that would be normal. However, if you just happen to be unwell — not as a part of the Clean 9 — then you should go to see your doctor as per normal.
The next step is FIT 1 — this is designed to help lock in the gains of Clean 9 and turn them into long term weight loss. Clean 9 is a cleanse programme — there is no value in doing it twice — as it sets you up for long term weight loss. Find our more here https: Hi I started the clean 9 on Friday just past I am now on day 4 I have been struggling a with the exercise.
Will this effect my results? Hi Tracey — yes, it will. The programme asks you to do 30 minutes of exercise — such as walking to the shops or to work — and 5 minutes of stretches. Perhaps swap the lift for the stairs? Or, if at home, just spend 15 minutes in the morning and 15 minutes in the evening walking up and down the stairs. Start steadily and keep it moderate — but even a small amount of exercise will make a big difference.
I was just wondering as I am a tennis coach and have just completed the first two days and feeling great whether I could switch the morning shake for a small portion of porridge with almond milk on my busier days?
Hi Hannah — yes, in essence, you can switch things around. The key thing is to take your Aloe Vera on a empty stomach — so at least 30 minutes before solid food — hence, it is fine when you take a shake but if you have porridge, then just make sure you take the Aloe first thing — so you have time.
Also, as a tennis coach, have you been advised to lift your calories on busy days? I hope so, other wise you may be fasting too quickly. Your Comment Here…pls I have had 2 ceaserean section due to delivery d last one was on dec n I wold want to use clean9 buh is it goin to affect my fertility as in wen I want to get pregnant.
Hi Vivienne — you should be fine — aloe vera is like taking a vegetable juice — it is a food essentially, so it works naturally. Hi, where can I buy C9 in Johannesburg close to lyndhurst. My weight is 96kg and I want to loose 20kg, what do I buy after I finish c9? Do I eat my healthy food during c9 or I will just consume only c9 till I finish it? Hi Sheila — you can buy in South Africa here https: To achieve a 20kg weight loss is going to require some patience and dedication — and a choice to start doing moderate or moderately more exercise.
Hi basically i take a RSP Nutrition BCAA when i go gym im going to start the C9, what i wanted to know was that is it still ok to take the BCAA with the C9 and as i spend at least 1 and 30 minutes to 2 hours in the gym doing cardio and weights, is it still ok to carry out my workout for the first 2 days. I am about to finish the c9 program. I have another question.
I purchased the fit 1. If you tell me what you want to achieve, then I can advise on the best combination of boxes. Hi Christinah — thanks — I have sent you an email with the details of how to do this.
I am sticking to everything else on the program. Will it effect the results. Yes Emily — the aloe vera is essential. Ask your distributor to swap the pure aloe vera for berry nectar or add some cranberry juice.
The other option is to use a different plan where you just aclimatise to the aloe vera first and then go onto the Clean 9. I completed clean 9 last sunday and I dont feel any different. I am still tired and I only lost two pounds. I am a very healthy and active person anyway, at least two high intensity workouts a week and at the gym 5 days a week.
The new clean 9 does not state to take the aloe 20mins after the tablets and I never realised this until now. I always took them all at the same time, how would this affect my results?
I am only a UK size 10 and 9st 6lb so I dont know if I would have got any better results but I just feel like I havent had the same results as everyone else. However, the Clean 9 can still be beneficial to long term fitness, good weight and health. Please feel free to contact me. Do I still go ahead or I shld insist on a change cos I really want to loose as much as 10kg. I wld be expecting your reply asap as I intend to start tomorrow. I am on day 3 of the clean 9. I weighed myself this morning first thing and I have only lost 2 pounds which I am a bit disheartened about.
Should I have lost more? That is the really important thing to do. I tried the aloe vera gel in the week and properly started my Clean 9 yesterday. I really cant stomach the taste of the gel, it makes me heave even thinking about it at the moment. Which works out about 27 calories a drink. Can i continue to do this or will it greatly affect the results? Try using cranberry juice or some other fruit juice that is less sweet. I am on day 3 of the Clean 9 programme and feeling good energy-wise and not hungry at all.
The discomfort started yesterday and same again today. I have been following the diet to the letter! Whilst I am very motivated, one of the main reasons I am doing the diet is to improve my IBS symptoms so feel my will power may wane if I continue to feel uncomfortable.
I wondered if there are any alternatives to the shakes such as healthy calorie meals or similar instead? Would be grateful for your thoughts! However, it is important to reach a point of comfort for yourself, in which case, try switching the shake for a meal. I would have thought your best meal would be green leaf vegetables such as Kale — lightly steamed with olive oil and tomato.
Hi I just finished the clean 9 and my mum wants to do it also but she has kidney cyst and also had a surgery, one of her kidneys has been taking out. She has only one kidney from about 8 years. Thank you for help in advice!! Please I used clean9 last year but I failed along the line. I have bought another one which I want start by Monday. Now my question is this, 1 can I take Bee Pollen and forever therm at the same times?
Not the lite ultra with Aminoten can i go ahead with it? Hi Fechi — if you have done the Clean 9 then you would be best advised to start on FIT 1 to extend the weight loss and not repeat the Clean 9. Hi Am about to start clean9 and i weigh kg, just clocked 20, no time for exersice, my goal is to lost abt 20kg how am i goin to go abt d program.
Hi Victoria — it is unlikely that you will lose fat if you do no exercise. You may lose toxins and water, but that will only take you so far.
On day 2 I had few slices of pawpaw thinking it was part of the free foods but when I discovered I stopped immediately , on day 3 till now I eat nuts a lot and vegetable for dinner and I also drink loads of water. Hi Neil am single trying to get pregnant. Hi Kamelarl — think of Aloe Vera as a plant juice as you think of orange juice as a fruit juice — so, does orange juice affect pregnancy?
No, and not should aloe vera. The nutrition in the shake and fibre are natural and the Therm is a natural extract as is the Garcinia — so there is no reason for concern — these are not magic nor are they medication. However, if you have a concern — as I do not know your medical history and am not a doctor — you should speak to your own doctor and nurse.
Hi Leanne — do you mean chicory tea? I guess so, as it is caffeine free and minimal calories. Your Comment Here… pls is it a must i av a calories intake from day 3 cos i dont mind skipping d calories meal and go on fruits only for d 9days cos i really want an obvious result. I am married with 3 kids,my qns was can i use birth control pills while also doing clean9 diet? Yes, Nazia — we are talking nutrition as in food here, not medication. Hi neil, am about to start c9 cuz of my weight weighing kg and fit1 is expensive.
Will like to lose 40kg. Hi Zanny — the best way is to register you so you can buy at a discount. If you buy from me, then I can help you with your plan too. Hi, I started clean 9 today and I ate strawberry as dinner, is it bad?. Also can u register me to enable me buy fit1 a lower rate.
Hi Chinwe — yes, I can register you, let me know which country are you in so I can send you the right link. Belly fat is probably a result of too much sugar or refined food in your diet — the Clean 9 and Fit 1 will help you sort out those sugar cravings and help you to healthier eating.
You might also like this article too by one of our Fitness advisors http: Hi — I take thyroxine and fluoxetine — both well managed. Is it still safe to do Clean 9? Hence, you really would need to get medical advice. In many cases, where someone takes a regular medical drug, it is better to start on the FIT 1 — as the amount of aloe you drink is less and therefore the impact is more gradual — this allows more time to adjust with your doctor your medicines to fit.
Hello Teri — well, water is best — but you can also add aloe vera. I would avoid any sodas or fruit juice as they will be high in sugars or carbs. Hi Erica — yes, keep the aloe vera in the fridge — it tastes better that way. It will last a few days at room temperature, but will last longer in the fridge. Hi, I started the clean 9 on Tuesday and since I have ate toast and a packet of crisps. Will this ruin the detox completely now? Hello — rule no. Yep — clean 9 is a nutrition programme not a medical programme — hence there is no reason to worry.
Hi Gemma — yes it will — smoking pushing lots of toxins into your body and the Clean 9 is attempting to cleanse your body, so they are working against each other. Use the Clean 9 as an opportunity to cut down on your smoking as much as possible to get best results. I do help my clients devise plans and could help you with this if you were to buy your Clean 9 and FIT products through me or this website. Can you register me for the discount please?
Is this ok to do? Hello Neil, Just started the C9 program and have lost about 3 kg at the start of day 3. However I saw the use of skim milk of the shake pack so I mixed the shake with a spoonful of Marvel Dried Skimmed Powder on the day 2, in fact instantly felt a release of energy but on looking closer to the label, its like I am not really sure what calories that might contain and I have since stopped. What quantity of the Dried skimmed powder can one add without compromising potency.
Hi Sola — you can mix the shake with anything — water, skimmed milk, almond milk, soya milk, rice milk etc…. I am looking at doing the cleanse 9, but have difficulty swallowing pills. I normally just chew my pills or put power into a drink.
Would this be okay to do? Alternatively, if you are strong willed ie. Like Andy I am struggling to swallow the tablets whole, especially the soft gel ones. Not sure if I can cut them in half? I take prescribed Vitamin D tablets twice a day. Am I ok to use the C9 plan on this medications? Hey Matt — we are advised to suggest you speak to your doctor when taking medications.
Hi, I start clean 9 tomorrow and was wondering if when doing day you need to eat all calories for dinner or you can break up the to suit your day eg.. Hi Lisa — you can break up the calories across the day — however, make sure you drink the aloe on an empty stomach — so if you have calories at breakfast, make sure you aloe is drunk first and you leave 15 minutes or so before eating etc… Br Neil. Hello, I have come across this website and queries and have read with interest all the help and advice given.
I wonder if someone could help me. I am currently at the end of day 2 and have not had any issues with the aloe Vera , tablets or shakes so far but my query is more about detoxing. I was expecting to be visiting the bathroom much more frequently but so far apart from passing the extra water there is nothing. Does this mean it is not working or could I be in for a bit of shock further along the programme?
Any advice would be appreciated. I have read with keen interest and appreciate your advise so far. I am on Day 5 and I must confess I feel so great. My aloe vera gel finished yesterday night. What do you advise? Can I continue till day 9 without it? The aloe is pretty key — so it is important to get some more. Either way, keep doing the exercise and keep drinking the water.
Lastly, the Fit 1 is actually very cheap. Yes, I am drinking over the 8 glasses and keeping a record to make sure I am following the plan correctly.
I have a cross trainer at home and am using that every morning. I also walk around 2 miles a day so the excercise part is covered too. I measured today on day 3 and no measurement changes but I had lost just under 2 kg.
I will continue to the end the plan as I am keen to fully detox. First time on the Clean 9 I lost 4kg and was moderately fit. Second time, about 2 years later, I was running 10ks regularly and at the top end of fitness — that time I just lost 2kg — but I did still lose a belt size, which was interesting.
Also, make sure you measure weight at the same time each day — first thing in the morning is pretty good — not least because our body weight can fluctuate 2kgs with more or less water and depending on when we last went to the toilet! And, last but not least, weighing scales vary in their accuracy and can be affected by the floor surface.
Hi Neil, Could you help me please, I am on day 2 of the clean 9, I did it last year and lost a large amount of weight, but it all piled back on, I have now started it again, but it is the old one, is it still effective? And can you give me some advice on what to do next I understand there is a second programme, which I may consider if you give me the website… But could you please tell me what I can do to maintain the weight loss without buying the fit programme.
Feedback is much appreciated. Hi Sara — sure, the Clean 9 is a cleanse and designed to help the body get rid of toxins and ready for weight loss. Would you like me to set this up for you? For some people — exercise can by just walking 10 mins to work — or house or garden work!
Hi Amanda — the less you smoke the better the outcome, so even if you cut down, that will help. I would recommend that you start with the Fit 1 instead — it is more gradual and actually is focused on long term sustainable weight loss.
Hi Neil,is it compulsory I will use the fit 1 after clean9?? What can I do I also forgot to take the ulta shake. If you forgot a shake, just make it up now and take it. I am on day 3 of c9, nand have been drinking a lot of water but i have not purged at all, i hope there is no problem? Hi Ola — can you explain what you mean by purge? Which are the most important elements to continue with? So is the Aloe Vera gel more important than the shakes etc… Thank you.
Great — firstly read my article on Fit 1 and the real costs — I think you may be surprised how cheap it actually is http: Neil I started the cleanse 9 today. Also from day 3 if I replace one of the shakes for a meal how many calories would this equate to?
Or if I stick to the 2 shakes with water can I add some calories to my evening meal? Hi Anna — if you swap skimmed milk for water cl that is going to reduce the calories by about — so, as you have two shakes per day — just have a third shake — or, as you say, add the calories to your evening meal which you can also split across lunch and dinner — but keep to the calories size.
Hi, Is it ok to eat free foods during the first 2 days? Hi Mary — no, of course its okay to eat the free foods during the first two days. Our programme is not magic its not chemical, its about nutrition and exercise and you can only improve those bit by bit and day by day. Stick at it and you will see long term results.
We are not offering a quick fix — we are a long term solution to feeling better and looking better. Hi, really informative page thanks. I havnt started it yet, do you have any tips for days before you start i want to get the most out of the cleanse as possible?
Also it says to weigh in days 1,3,6,9 should i also weigh myself the day before and measure? Also what is the best time to weigh? Also i sometimes have trouble going to the toilet is clean 9 going to make this worse? All advice appreciated thank you. Sorry one more question if you already exercise frequently do you need to up the exercise?
Will you get the same results as some one that never exercises? No Gemma — very fit people will get different results. Fit people simply need to eat many more calories and hence the programme needs to be adapted — depending on their reasons for doing it, of course. Hi, The booklet says to do exercise after breakfast — but I have to get up early for work usually 5am but sometimes earlier so I literally get up, get ready and go straight there. I think what you suggest makes sense — the idea is that after breakfast you should be active ie doing some moderate exercise but it sounds like you are already up and moving about.
However, do you drive to work? If so, can you park 10 minutes away so that you walk to work? Okay to do in the summer I guess? Checked my bmi am